Joker
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How about a magic trick? *Dada*
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Post by Joker on Oct 4, 2008 8:43:06 GMT -5
I am agnostic atheist. I do not believe in anything particularly unless somehow the people called god appears on one day before my eyes. I am skeptical of anything that has been taught to people in the books which I name them all as fake and I do believe that God, if any, by choosing people to his liking manipulates people into believing to something that we do not know nothing of its existence and we never be sure. I have decided not to care about anything and to ask questions like if there is the god long ago. Not my problem and why should I care? This is what agnostic atheism is about. What is agnostic atheism exactly? Or is that just a fancy way of saying agnostic? xD ETA :: What about the people who voted 'Other'? Could you tell us a bit about what you believe? I do not think it is a fancy word for saying atheist or agnostic. I am not sure though. All I know all I believe in the principles of science. People who prefer to go with agnostic atheism are usually skeptical of the presence of god though they suspect that there might be one. However, it does not make sense because I cannot prove its existence. In other words, as long as god does not appear and say I do exist, I won't believe. Another thing that is special about that fancy word up there is you do not care whether there is a god or not and at the same time you continue to deny its existence but are still skeptical. I hope I have made myself clear, Keyodie. If you guys have any questions, please lemme know via PM or write down here so that I can reply to you. By the way I have to say that this debate going on very well. I have not seen that kind of debate for a long time. It is good to know nobody stampes on anybody because it is not the concept of debate about. If I need to say one thing about atheism is that, rejecting and denying are harsh words. They only say the god does not exist. Keep that in mind unless to whom you speak to is not a theoretical atheist please ignore using those harsh words.
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Post by keyodie on Oct 4, 2008 10:02:28 GMT -5
Actually, I believe in pretty much all of what you wrote. xD I consider myself agnostic.
And I agree, this is a great thread. So is the christianity one. Yay maturity.
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Post by ladytera on Oct 4, 2008 12:45:55 GMT -5
I have been one of those using the words deny and reject. I hope you don't take that personally. I try to differentiate between the theoretical atheist, as you so aptly termed it, and the vocal vociferous atheists that do deny and reject God, and ridicule others for their beliefs. Atheism is no different in that respect than any other religion. There are always a few who give the rest a bad name. I mentioned before that most true atheists don't just not believe in God, the idea that so many do is a bit alien to them. That's not meant as a criticism, merely to explain to some of the folks here that do believe in God the difference in perspective so many seem to get confused by. To you, as an agnostic atheist, I imagine that it's fairly incomprehensible that so many believe in a God or Gods, whichever one they choose to believe in. For those who have a strong faith, it's just as incomprehensible that anyone would NOT believe in God. So, being human we look for explanations for thosee beliefs or lack there or. As a result, you have the less theoretical atheist idea that religion is the opiate of the masses, and is basically nothing more than a crutch for weak minded individuals. On the other side, you have the religious idea that atheism is lack of moral fiber, imagination, and seeks the destruction of faith. Neither of those classifications is really accurate, because, as has been stated elsewhere, we are each individuals, with unique views and perspectives, and unique reasons for our beliefs, and unique relationships with our God(s), or our world. So, please don't take too much offense if we sometimes get into generalizations. It is sometimes difficult to discuss the larger belief systems involved without generalizing a little, and most of us stipulate to the fact that not every individual within those systems is in line with every idea presented as the norm for those beliefs. Myself, as a Christian, I know I'd be considered darn near a heretic for some of my views by some other Christians, and there are other Christians that hold views I would renounce in a heartbeat because I don't believe they fit with God, and they are dangerous (i.e. the Westboro Baptist Church that was mentioned elsewhere by Caunion, The Trinity United Church of Christ, there are probably many others).
I'm glad you've been enjoying the debate and discussion so far. You are right that the whole idea is to promote a better understanding of differing points of view, and I'm rather proud of the fact that everyone here seems capable of doing that without degenerating into senseless name calling and ridiculous attacks. It's rather refreshing, as many have pointed out. I hope you keep posting and continue to have fun with it.
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Rhovanion
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La Danse Macabre
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Post by Rhovanion on Oct 5, 2008 16:38:50 GMT -5
I'm Pagan. Ásatrúar, like Raivynn Phoenix. Don't ask me to give the full 4/11 on the path or what it is exactly I believe because I've never been good at putting into words what I believe (and why) when it comes to spirituality. I guess it's because it's something so deep within yourself that it's so hard to bring it to the surface, if you get what I mean. I've always found it more easy to fully explain what I don't believe and why, haha.
Anyways, I've gone from being a casual 'believer' in the Judeo/Christian God as a wee child, to being an agnostic and later on atheist (or at least I thought so at the time) in my early teens, to being spiritual and to finally embracing the Pagan faith (Ásatrú/Asatro in this case) that had been lurking around the corner ever since I was 10 years old.
I was raised on Swedish Folklore (which is pretty much Norse Mythology in disguise) ever since I was a kid. That's when the first seed was planted. Then when we learned about Asatro (the pre-Christian religion of Scandinavia that is now known as Ásatrú in its "neo-Pagan" form) in 4th grade I remember wishing Sweden should never have been forced to become Christianized in the first place. Asatro just felt so right and so natural. But being just a kid and very naive, I didn't think it was 'possible' to take up old spiritual paths just like that and so I thought I had to abandon the desire to do so. Then I saw myself as agnostic and later atheist but I realize now that it was always from an organized-religion-perspective - meaning I knew I did not believe in any of the main religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism etc) and I knew that I believed, without a doubt, that neither of those Gods existed.
I have the Internet to thank for discovering that it was in fact "OK" to take up ancient spiritual paths and that I wasn't crazy after all, haha. Embracing Asatro truly was like coming home. And no wonder it feels so right. It came from here! It's not some Middle-Eastern philosophy. It's something that's so deeply rooted in the Scandinavian culture whether people realize it or not. It's part of our backbone, of who we are and where we came from. I think it's a wonderful thing to honor the ways of my ancestors!
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chiefgibson
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I am Jack's smirking revenge.
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Post by chiefgibson on Nov 6, 2008 17:35:53 GMT -5
w007 a chance to further explain myself!!!!!
If i had to chose a religion...it would be Subaru.
But in all seriousness I do not have a religion. My mother, when I was young, never pushed any religion. She laid a huge stack of religious text in front of me and told me to make up my own mind. So I'm very open minded towards pretty much everything. I've studied many religions and plant to study many more.
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Post by keyodie on Nov 15, 2008 13:30:05 GMT -5
I was just wondering, to those of you who voted other, why do you not consider yourself agnostic? I've always thought being agnostic was in general no religious affiliation.
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Rhovanion
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La Danse Macabre
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Post by Rhovanion on Nov 18, 2008 12:36:20 GMT -5
Agnostic means you're sort of on the fence I bit. The idea of a God can't be proven but it also can't be disproven in their minds. Most agnostics mean that it's impossible to have complete and full knowledge of the existence of any God. It's sort of between Theism and Atheism. And I mean there are other religions out there besides the ones mentioned in the poll, hence the 'other' vote.
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Post by keyodie on Nov 18, 2008 15:49:54 GMT -5
Oh no I meant there were a few people I think a couple pages before that sounded agnostic to me but they voted other.
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Post by Esteleth on Dec 22, 2008 22:56:30 GMT -5
I'm a Christian.
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Hravan
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Life is a Musical
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Post by Hravan on Dec 31, 2008 12:24:09 GMT -5
Take 1 off the Pagan option and put it into the Other option.... Hravan is having a crisis of faith at the moment....
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