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Jul 13, 2008 0:08:24 GMT -5
Post by keyodie on Jul 13, 2008 0:08:24 GMT -5
So, post here if you ever feel like writing something really deep. Whether it be about the meaning of life, what life is, afterlife, something you experienced, etc. I had this weird feeling last night, kind of an overwhelming sense of uncertainty, if you want to be cheesy. Like, maybe nothing we know is real. That we don't know anything about anything, we just know what we think we know. And maybe the strangers you meet on the street aren't really there, but they are, they just live on separate worlds. Maybe worlds are created every time someone writes something, and you're just someone else's creation. Or maybe you're in a video game and someone's playing you. Haha. I'm weird.
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darow
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Jul 13, 2008 1:48:10 GMT -5
Post by darow on Jul 13, 2008 1:48:10 GMT -5
I saw the title and the first thing that came to mind was "sucks." I saw dead people when I was three. ;D And I think a world exists inside every tiny cell. I think we are now in a piece of dogshit.
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Jul 13, 2008 1:51:06 GMT -5
Post by keyodie on Jul 13, 2008 1:51:06 GMT -5
Lmfao. Very interesting.
And woah, it's like the sixth sense come to life!
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Larael
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"Does the Walker choose the Path, or does the Path choose the Walker?"
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Jul 15, 2008 0:31:33 GMT -5
Post by Larael on Jul 15, 2008 0:31:33 GMT -5
I used to think the same thing as well when I was younger, keyodie! Of course, based on what I believe that could be seen as true. I'd rather believe in free will though instead of a higher power's manipulation.
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Jul 15, 2008 0:43:22 GMT -5
Post by Ammy Fae on Jul 15, 2008 0:43:22 GMT -5
Whoa. Didn't post here yet, Larael hon. But I'll get around to it in a few minutes and explain how you pretty much read my mind and posted before me. xP
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Larael
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Jul 15, 2008 12:06:33 GMT -5
Post by Larael on Jul 15, 2008 12:06:33 GMT -5
Yikes! I'm getting you confused with keyodie, my dear.
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Jul 15, 2008 12:42:38 GMT -5
Post by Ammy Fae on Jul 15, 2008 12:42:38 GMT -5
Right then. xD! I will have to post here eventually. Must sort out my thoughts beforehand, though, or I'll probably just make myself look silly.
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Jul 15, 2008 16:52:57 GMT -5
Post by smeagollum on Jul 15, 2008 16:52:57 GMT -5
I never noticied this thread until now. Right on with free will, Lareal.
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Jul 20, 2008 9:56:00 GMT -5
Post by keyodie on Jul 20, 2008 9:56:00 GMT -5
Haha yeah, I'd like to believe that too. But maybe even our thoughts, needs, and wishes are controlled. And actually I think LDM wrote a paper about free will... About how free will is an illusion.
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Jocelyn
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Jul 28, 2008 22:29:26 GMT -5
Post by Jocelyn on Jul 28, 2008 22:29:26 GMT -5
Life has been... blah lately. Part of my lack of being online and such. Parents have just been making me very testy and I put all my anger into reading and writing rather than coming on here... but I am back for now... by the way Keyodie I sometimes wonder that myself, if all of this is just some kind of game and we are all just some fabrication of someones memory with millions of different plots going on...
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Jul 30, 2008 4:56:56 GMT -5
Post by keyodie on Jul 30, 2008 4:56:56 GMT -5
Awww I'm sorry that life is blah. I know how you feel. Blahness sucks. It's good that you're reading and writing and stuff though intead of getting stoned or something. Wait a minute, I don't know that you aren't... *slitty eyes*
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Jocelyn
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Jul 30, 2008 12:38:56 GMT -5
Post by Jocelyn on Jul 30, 2008 12:38:56 GMT -5
;D You don't know.... ha, but honestly, never touched a drug in my life... except Hookah, but that's legal and not really a drug
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Jul 30, 2008 21:33:17 GMT -5
Post by keyodie on Jul 30, 2008 21:33:17 GMT -5
Good for you, that shit will f you up. Not speaking from personal experience or anything.
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Jocelyn
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Jul 31, 2008 1:34:07 GMT -5
Post by Jocelyn on Jul 31, 2008 1:34:07 GMT -5
Why thank you for giving me encouragement from a non-personal experience point of view
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Jul 31, 2008 5:53:19 GMT -5
Post by keyodie on Jul 31, 2008 5:53:19 GMT -5
xD You are very welcome.
Hey LDM (assuming she'll read this) it'd be cool if you could post your essay on how free will is an illusion. I thought it was really interesting.
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Jul 31, 2008 6:31:04 GMT -5
Post by misaki on Jul 31, 2008 6:31:04 GMT -5
Wow Keyody, sounds interesting. I used to think something like that too, in fact, I still do. Well, not really. Partly. I mean, there's so much we don't know. We can only study what we can see/measure, so we're actually only studying a certain form of energy, we just aren't able to study the rest. And many things we assume to be a certain way just aren't proven or falsificated in any way, but still handled as such. I think free will isn't an illusion BUT, I agree with Nietzsche; free will is limited. Very limited. We are all influenced by so many things; genetics, our environment, our time, hormones, the people we meet. I think the idea of an unlimited free will is ridiculous. That being said, I do think we have one. I think we all have the power to make our own choices. I just think it's very hard to, because we're all so influenced by our own limitations and environment. However, some people somehow don't see to be touched by their time or environment, genes, experiences...the kind of people who suddenly stand up and change the world in a way no one ever expected. Or the people who just have some kind of better perspective somehow. But I think that's very rare, something everyone can achieve, but not easily. Okay, aside from that, I think it's very well possible that someone is playing a game and has a Big Plan for all of us or whatever. But to be honest, I couldn't care less. If there is, I still think we're able to free ourselves from it if we really try to. If we can't...well, suck it up. Then there's nothing we can do about it. Exept for enjoying life as much as possible
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Jul 31, 2008 10:04:43 GMT -5
Post by keyodie on Jul 31, 2008 10:04:43 GMT -5
I suppose we do have some kind of free will. But yeah, it's very limited. This kind of makes me think about a horror movie I watched... It's a 40 minute mini horror movie in the collection of 3 short movies called Three Extremes, and there was one by a korean director called "Cut". It was about a movie director who one night gets abducted by one of his movie extras. Haha excuse my sucky summarizing skills.
Anyway, the guy was totally nuts. But he did say something that made me really think. The only reason he kidnapped/tortured the director and his wife was because the director was nice. He had a horrible childhood and he was dirt poor, and his only comfort was the fact that rich, successful people were cocky and self-absorbed. But when he worked for this director as an extra, the director was good-looking, successful, rich, AND nice. He said:
"The rich people I've ever met... They're all scumbags, no respect for people. I don't even consider them as human beings. But you, you are a good man! That's so fucking unfair! You're rich, handsome, educated in America... a genius director, and you have a pretty wife. If you're also a "good" man on top of that... what are guys like me supposed to get?! You know on TV shows... Only the poor folks are good people! Never the rich! You've already got everything! Why do you have to corner us too?! Why are you a good man, too? You live well in this world and you'll live well in heaven. Our lives suck and we're going to hell!"
So if the enviornment you grow up in, the way the world treats you defines you as a person... Do you really have a choice whether or not to grow up as a good or bad person, a positive or negative force in the world? Are our future choices already decided for us with the way we grow up?
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Aug 6, 2008 19:19:17 GMT -5
Post by Bubba's Dad on Aug 6, 2008 19:19:17 GMT -5
OKā¦Then, Some random thoughts.
1) Our Creator allows us complete free will. You can do what ever you want with in the laws of physics. Rob, sleep, hit, laugh, cry, speed, kill, save, sing, and all the other actions we do, good or bad. There are consequences though, to your actions, good and bad.
2)Rich people do not suck because they are rich. If they were poor, they would still suck. Those rich people who do not suck would still not suck if they were poor. Do not knock rich people, I want to be one some day.
3) Some people may need some cheese to go with their whine.
4) No matter how much life sucks, it beats the alternative.
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Aug 6, 2008 20:18:17 GMT -5
Post by keyodie on Aug 6, 2008 20:18:17 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I was just quoting a movie and don't agree with what the character said. He was nuts. xP It was just what he said that was thought provoking. I don't necessarily think we have absolutely no free will, I just thought I should throw that into the discussion. And I partly agree with what you said about rich/poor people. But sometimes fame and fortune gets to people's heads and they start getting cocky... Not for all situations of course. I think, though, that's why "rich people" get their reputation for being snotty. As for what you said about free will, true, we can make choices and do any of the actions that you listed, but don't the events in your life change and define you as time goes on? If that's true, don't your choices also change? I guess it all just depends on your definition of free will. Free will -Noun 1. free and independent choice; voluntary decision: You took on the responsibility of your own free will. 2. Philosophy. the doctrine that the conduct of human beings expresses personal choice and is not simply determined by physical or divine forces. But then again, something like free will probably means more than just a dictionary definition.
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Aug 6, 2008 23:29:54 GMT -5
Post by ladytera on Aug 6, 2008 23:29:54 GMT -5
This is one of the quintessential questions of life that has been asked pretty much since man came into existence. As such, we probably won't answer it with 2:00 in the morning, sleep deprived ramblings, but what the heck, it's still fun. ;D Keyodie, to give you an example of why free will exists regardless of outside influence and experience, I give you my life. My previous (and second marriage) culminated in a midnight march through my house at the hands of my drunk husband. By God's grace, my cordless phone was actually on the hook and charged as he marched me up the stairs after tossing me around the basement. Without even thinking, I grabbed the phone while he was behind me, dialed 911 and held the phone out of sight at my side until the police knocked on my door. Shocking, I know. Now, there are any number of circumstances that led to that one pivotal moment in my life. An unknown concatenation of events led to an outcome where I walked away, and started my life over with my children, and am a happy, well adjusted, slightly loopy mom of five (including Ammy). It could have gone differently. I've been asked why I think there is a God, and that moment truly defined it for me. Many would look at that and say "How could a loving God let something like that happen?" I look at it and thank God it wasn't worse. More than that it was an answer to the prayer I had been praying for more than a year that things would get better. ?!@#?!!! Better ?!!!?@#!? you say. Yes, better, because it was the breaking point I needed to push me to make a choice. But back to free will, and "How could a loving God..." The answer is, God didn't have much to do with my husband choosing to be drunk, choosing to get violent, or me choosing that night to misjudge how far I could push my new found independence without putting myself in danger. He merely made sure the consequences of our choices didn't wind up being deadly. The circumstance itself dictated my choices you say? Well, perhaps, but consider this, I chose to marry the man, I chose to stay despite verbal and emotional abuse. So, in essence, while I might not have chosen to get hurt, I was certainly in the position to be hurt of my own free will. The idea that our choice are limited by anything but our own will and ambition is merely an excuse to wallow in our own misery (I know I've been guilty of that too). The real shame of the delusion of not having free will is not only that people use it as a reason to fail, but that by extension, you can never enjoy your successes either because there is always the lingering thought that it wasn't your blood, sweat and tears that brought your achievement but some nebulous force that had predestined the outcome. Just my $.02 and hopefully some food for thought.
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