Hravan
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Post by Hravan on Oct 19, 2008 17:58:24 GMT -5
Warning: Language.... A little background: I'm a classics student. Ok, so you know how Hollywood and Brad fucking Pitt got together in 2004 to completely destroy the Iliad in that pile of shit they called "Troy"? Well, nothing is sacred! They're going to murder the Odyssey next! But not even that. Not just content with completely fucking up Homer's epic poems, oh no. They've decided that Homer just isn't good enough. So they're setting it in Outer Space. What the fucking hell are they doing?! The Odyssey is one of the greatest pieces of literature! And now it's going to be destroyed! And, if they really insist on doing it, then why don't they set it where it's meant to be?! Why does it have to be in outer space?! And how are they going to explain Athena, Circe, Calypso, Poseidon, the Cyclops (he's Poseidon's son), Aeolus, Hermes, Nausicaa, hell everything and everyone in the story?! I think I've just died inside.... Stupid, fucking Hollywood... And in case you're wondering... it doesn't say anything about it being a modern re-telling. Apparently, it's meant to follow straight on from the fall of Troy in that pile of shit from 2004. On the plus side, my classics lesson tomorrow is going to be hilarious. I can't wait for my teacher's reaction.... the last time someone mentioned the film Troy she went into a rant for 15 minutes about how shit and wrong it was.... (And it is shit and wrong - you have to completely forget it before you can study Homer... ) ARGH!!! *bangs head on wall* EDIT: Sorry, I just needed to rant before I tried to get off to sleep.... I feel a bit calmer now.....  |
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Post by keyodie on Oct 19, 2008 18:25:32 GMT -5
Hahahaha yeah I know what you mean. There were definitely some inaccuracies in that movie. I thought it was an average movie though, just by judging the actual movie and not judging the ability to adapt the story into a movie.
But wtf, outer space? That makes no sense. That's really weird.
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Post by ladytera on Oct 20, 2008 7:18:49 GMT -5
Hollywood went off the deep end a long time ago. Sad but true. I feel for you with you studies. Do yourself a favor and skip the film.  |
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Raivynn
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Post by Raivynn on Oct 20, 2008 9:02:02 GMT -5
The Odyssey in space? Already been done.
I definetly agree with ladytera. If you're so passionately against this movie, don't go see it. Don't read up on anything to do with it. Ignore it's existence.
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sakaido
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Post by sakaido on Oct 20, 2008 22:47:19 GMT -5
It's easier not to hate something if you don't look at it like they "ruined the story"
View the movie and the book separately.
Hollywood is about making money first, entertainment second, and getting it right last.
It's stupid. But I just learned to ignore it.
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Raivynn
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Post by Raivynn on Oct 21, 2008 12:26:09 GMT -5
^
I feel much the same way.
I'd never have been able to watch LotR's, or any comic book movies otherwise.
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Post by keyodie on Oct 21, 2008 15:28:55 GMT -5
Awwwww you've never seen the LotR movies? They're pretty good. There are good comic book movies out there too, like Iron Man, Batman (The Dark Knight especially homg), and The Crow...
It's not exactly the inaccuracy that gets on my nerves for book/comic book adaptations. It's when they butcher it that I have a problem. If you're going to make something a book into a movie, it is absolutely necessary to change some things. It would either suck or make no sense otherwise. A book and a movie are two totally different media.
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Post by Raivynn on Oct 21, 2008 16:26:07 GMT -5
XD I think you've misunderstood me.
I looooooooove the movies. I'm a Tolkien obsessive lol. What I meant was the book and the movie should be treated differently. Certain changes were made that some purists have had seizures over. Me? I like some of the changes, they made sense to me.
Same with the comic book movies. Not one of them is exactly like there source material. The closest perhaps is Sin City. So long as they stay true to the characters and the story they create is enjoyable, I'll watch it.
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Post by ladytera on Oct 21, 2008 17:43:48 GMT -5
My whole deal with adaptations is that I can't watch the movie if I've just read the book. I made that mistake with the first Harry Potter movie and was drastically disappointed, and the discrepancies made me nuts. But, most times, I just try to do as Draivynn said and recognize they are two different stories with common elements so I can enjoy them both.
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Post by keyodie on Oct 21, 2008 17:54:39 GMT -5
Oh haha. xD Sorry about that. But yeah, I totally agree with you.
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Post by Caunion on Oct 22, 2008 19:14:24 GMT -5
Oh god. I know how you feel. I feel like this every time somebody makes a film adaptation from an H.G. Wells novel. They just absolutely butcher the book.
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Post by Bubba's Dad on Oct 24, 2008 1:03:08 GMT -5
OK, I know what you mean with Troy. Many times screen writers do not do a good job adapting classics, but so few people read classics these days it,s authenticity is not high on their list. Some good things about the movie Troy was the accuracy in the war fair scenes, the use of the shield as an offensive weapon as well as defensive, bronze armor and swords. It was interesting that the movie makers chose to stray from the story but be authentic while doing it. The 300 was another one. Based on the book Gates of Fire, and on the real battle of Theopaly (sp?), the movie did a great job of portraying the fighting men of the time but left out major parts of the story.
In another way, classics can be retold in different ways, and still be great to those who never knew about the original. There was this old Japanese story about a group of Samurai who defended a town against bandits. This was made into the great movie "The seven Samurai" which was turned into the great western classic, "The Magnificent Seven". Another classic Japanese story turned into a movie featured a bum wanderer who played two rival gangs against each other, making money along the way and wiping out both gangs, and freeing the town. This was redone into a great Clint Eastwood western, "A Fist Full Of Dollars" which in turn was redone into a great prohibition gangster movie with Bruce Willis, "Last Man Standing".
The point is, all turned out to be great movies, if you never seen the one prior to it.
Sometimes, though, Hollywood dose get it right. Read Clive Cussler's "Sahara" then watch the movie with Steven Zohn and Matthew McConahay. (SP) A great book, a great movie!
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Post by keyodie on Oct 24, 2008 18:59:18 GMT -5
Ooohh yeah 300 was a great movie. xD
I actually heard that the some of the fighting in Troy wasn't accurate. For example, Achilles would stab someone in the back and pull it out easily, but in reality there's a lot of friction. (Haha how gruesome...)
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Post by ladytera on Oct 24, 2008 23:19:55 GMT -5
Yes, but Achilles was supposed to be superhuman or something, so I can forgive the ease of dismemberment. But, ordinarily, you're probably right, especially if they catch bone.
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