sakaido
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Oct 6, 2008 4:16:50 GMT -5
Post by sakaido on Oct 6, 2008 4:16:50 GMT -5
Watch all 2 hours of this.Then reply.
Zeitgeist 2 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
You may also look up the first zeitgeist. You don't need to watch the first to understand the second.
Does it make sense? Or do you find it to be bullshit?
Watch, Reply. Simple enough.
I'll post my thoughts after someone else gets the ball rolling.
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Oct 6, 2008 23:21:10 GMT -5
Post by ladytera on Oct 6, 2008 23:21:10 GMT -5
I have to admit I didn't watch the two hours. I watched about the first 10 minutes. And from that, I still have no idea what the point is. That tells me two things. First, the people who made it are highly entertained by their own technical skills, much more than they wanted to get their ideas out. Second, that it's likely the rest of it will be just as jumbled and pointless. I got to the part where it talked about something being wrong because 40% of the worlds wealth is held by 1% of the worlds population, therefore something is very wrong, and I turned it off to go play video games. Tonight is my night off, so I don't feel like wasting it. I did however agree with the authors that the world financial market, and more particularly the US monetary system is one of the least understood and least questioned systems on the planet, and it would probably benefit everyone to get a better understanding of it. The we wouldn't have mass hysteria and talk of a global depression because the US stock market fluctuates before an election, just as it does before every election, every two years. But if their point of view in educating people about the financial market is that it is somehow "unfair" to poor folks, then I call bullshit right here and now.
Now that my mini-rant is done, I will make an effort to actually listen to the rest of this later this week while I'm working. And I will then post more in depth comments, if there's actually more to it than the first bit indicates.
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Oct 8, 2008 23:00:29 GMT -5
Post by keyodie on Oct 8, 2008 23:00:29 GMT -5
I will watch this later when I find the time. I did watch the first few minutes of it and it seems very interesting, so I'll let you know when I've finished. =)
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Oct 10, 2008 16:51:14 GMT -5
Post by sakaido on Oct 10, 2008 16:51:14 GMT -5
Thank you Keyo =] ladyterait never once brings up poor vs. rich people as far as I recall. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to disregarding your assumption.
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Oct 10, 2008 20:29:33 GMT -5
Post by ladytera on Oct 10, 2008 20:29:33 GMT -5
Please note, that was only my initial impression of a very brief viewing of the beginning. I truly haven't had time to listen to the whole thing. But I do plan to do so. The part I was referring to, specifically was right after the old news clips at the beginning and the shot of rows and rows of money being printed. It then focused on a child's eyes, and slowly pulling out, and the commentary with the visual ended with the comment that 40% of the wealth in the world was held by 1% of the population. I got no further than that, I do not know where they went with the rest of that train of thought. You, having watched it, may entirely disregard my assumptions until I actually take the time to watch, and know what I'm talking about. I was merely responding to the fact that I've heard that particular statistic before, and it generally prefaces the argument that capitalism is unfair and that 1% should be forced by governments to redistribute it's wealth. My apologies that I was not clear that that train of thought was entirely an assumption on my part, based on prior experience with that one comment, and not actually an assessment based on this film.
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Oct 17, 2008 22:52:59 GMT -5
Post by keyodie on Oct 17, 2008 22:52:59 GMT -5
LT, I can see how you may have assumed that. But this movie is actually more about corruption, money, greed, etc. in the world. They do criticize religion towards the end, but you might not be too offended by it. I'm not sure. I trust that you're mature enough to handle it though. ;D
Anyway, I just watched it, and I've gotta say it was very fascinating. I'm sure they've exaggerated some things in the film, and I don't know if all of the information is true or unbiased, but I have no doubt that this system is very corrupted. I also think it is absolutely essential that we research wind/solar/etc. energy and technology.
I also think that war isn't "necessary". And yes, the Venus Project is definitely not perfect. But it is absolutely amazing in my mind that we could develop the technology to go to Beijing, like they said in the movie, in approximately 2 hours by train. I have been on one of the magnetic trains in Japan, and if they could use the idea and further the technology... wow. And the road system they suggested as well as their solution for drunk drivers, a world without money and a world without scarcity... Woow. Imagine the possibilities.
I think this movie offers a lot to think about. Like I said, some of the information may be exaggerated or biased (I'm not sure but I'm guessing) and the solutions aren't perfect, but it does make a good point about us not using technology to its biggest potential. I also think the internet is a huge development and should be used instead of watching the news on one of the networks they mentioned.
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Oct 18, 2008 2:27:56 GMT -5
Post by sakaido on Oct 18, 2008 2:27:56 GMT -5
I agree that the venus project is far from perfect too. Human nature is survival of the fittest. Always the urge to be better, stronger, more powerful than everyone else. I think if the world could overcome this than at least some of the ideas would work.
It's an ideal world. Ideals usually don't really happen.
Russia is spending billions of dollars trying to "create a new energy source" by splitting atoms using super magnetic tunnels. [I'm not scientific at all. Be glad I didn't say "by putting the thing in the tube and making it woooooosh"] It makes you wonder why they do it when, like the film states. There's energy available. A never ending supply.
I also agree with the film that religion is holding us back. Not everyone, and not all of them. But I know a fair few people who really do believe dinosaur bones were planted by satan to trick us. =/
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Oct 18, 2008 3:13:23 GMT -5
Post by keyodie on Oct 18, 2008 3:13:23 GMT -5
Yeah, the only doubt I have is... If we were to live in a system similar to the ideal world in the Venus Project, would it really give us less problems than we have now? There will always be problems, no matter what kind of society we live in.
About religion... There are some aspects of religion that certainly holds us back. Unfortunately, there have been religious leaders in the past that were not tolerant of scientists, and executed them before they could live up to their full potential. Imagine how advanced science would be today if they had lived.
I do not believe all of religion is bad though. It gives people good morals, provides a solace, and gives people a purpose. Unfortunately, it's harmful if there is more than one religion. Then it doesn't work too well. It creates conflicts where they shouldn't be.
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